This is the fourth part of our series (I, II, III) looking at how Carthage’s complex, multi-ethnic armies were raised and structured. Last week, we looked at Carthage’s unusual system for raising vassal forces: long-serving Carthaginian generals could inhabit positions within the personalist, non-state mobilization systems of Numidia and Iberia, enabling them to access military resources (mostly manpower) as a non-state ‘Big Man’ would, through kinship and patronage networks.
Merging Carthage’s state-based conscription system with the non-state mobilization systems of Numidia and Iberia would already be a remarkable achievement and would have given Carthage an ‘all call’ peak mobilization somewhere north of 125,000 men, easily eclipsing the military mobilization potential of the major powers of the Hellenistic East. But of course Carthage isn’t fighting the heirs of Alexander in the third century. Carthage is fighting Rome.
So they are going to need more.
That means recruiting from outside of the territory that Carthage notionally controls (directly or indirectly), which in turn means allies and mercenaries. Fortunately for us, most of the peoples who are going to end up as Carthaginian allies at one point will serve in their armies as mercenaries at other points.
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The System in Schematic
Now untangling conscript subjects vs. vassals vs. mercenaries vs. external allies is quite complicated and as noted, our sources often do not give us a lot of information to help us separate this out. Worse yet, the status of individual groups changes over time: as we’ve already seen, the Iberians go from being mercenaries to being vassals as a result of the Barcid conquests in Spain.
However, we do get, in a very strange way, a ‘snapshot’ of the different categories in the system, during the Second Punic War. Hannibal, you will recall, invades Italy in 218 and wins major victories at Trebia (218), Trasimene (217) and Cannae (216). This was a major enough sequence of events that other powers were paying attention and in this case, the ruler of Macedon, the Antigonid king Philip V saw an opportunity here. Rome was a potential rival for him in the Adriatic, after all and by 218 Rome had already developed significant influence in coastal Illyria. So in 215, Philip V sends ambassadors to Hannibal to conclude a treaty with Carthage and then in 214, jumps into the war on Hannibal’s side.
In practice, this comes to relatively little right away – the Roman navy keeps Philip V stuck on the far side of the Adriatic and this First Macedonian War (214-205) produces no major engagements between Rome and Macedon, though it does set the stage for future wars. So this is a very important event for the future of the Greek East and the Roman Republic in the second century, but not a crucial turning point in Hannibal’s war or Carthage’s future.

But it provides us a fascinating bit of evidence for the structure of Carthaginian power in the Second Punic War, because a fragment of Polybius preserves most of the text of the treaty (Polyb. 7.9). Ancient treaties are both political and religious documents – the gods are called to witness them (in this case, both Greek and Carthaginian gods!) – and so they tend to be quite precise for religious as well as political reasons. And that’s handy for us because it means that Philip V’s ambassadors and the Carthaginians both are going to want to be very precise about exactly who is and is not covered or obligated by their treaty. That gives us the following passage; the participants of the treaty are actually spelled out twice (once for a list of who Philip V is going to help and then again in reverse as a list of who is going to help Philip V), but I’ll just include the first list for brevity. I’ve translated this myself because I found that the generally available translations (particularly W.R. Paton’s translation) often fudge the literal meaning a fair bit in order to convey the general meaning, but here I want to be precise (Polyb. 7.9.5-6):
…that King Philip and the Macedonians and the other Greeks in so far as they are allies of him shall protect the Carthaginian lords and Hannibal the general and those with him and those subject to Carthage, in so far as they share the same laws, and the Uticans, and such cities and peoples as hearken to Carthage, and the soldiers and the allies and all the cities and peoples with whom we are in alliance in Italy and Gaul and Liguria and anyone we may enter into friendship and alliance in these lands.
The formula gets repeated with only a slight alteration again going the other way in Polyb. 7.9.7, but we needn’t repeat it here. So we can see the two sets of parties to this treaty. On the one side, we have the Macedonian side: Philip V himself (as king), the Macedonians (his people) and his Greek allies, which in the original Greek takes just 13 words to spell out. It is relatively simple. On the other side, we have the complex mess that is Carthage, which in the original Greek takes some sixty-eight words in Greek (73 in English) to express. So let’s take a minute to break these categories apart and see if we can’t figure out who exactly is meant by each.
First we have, “the Carthaginian lords and Hannibal the general and those with him.” Paton includes here ‘the Carthaginians’ as well, but they are notably absent in the actual text: the Carthaginian people are not part of the first clause (those to be protected by Philip) but do show up for the second one (those to do protecting of Philip), which might speak to the text’s understanding of how political power in Carthage works. The ‘lords’ here must be the Carthaginian adirim, representing Carthage as a whole, so Philip is promising to protect the Carthaginian state (and Hannibal and Hannibal’s army), represented by the adirim but to be protected by the Carthaginians as a people. In any case, this group’s role in the treaty is clear: these are the actual Carthaginians.
Next we have, “those subject to Carthage, in so far as they share the same laws, and the Uticans.” Here we evidently have some precise legalese the exact meaning of which is somewhat lost to us, but it seems clear that these are the North Africans (sans Numidia), Carthage’s subjects. I think the ‘in so far as they share the same laws’ bit is meant to divide out three groups: the vassals (coming in the next bit), the Punic and Libyan subjects (who are the ones sharing laws), and Utica. Utica was, after Carthage, the next largest and important Phoenician colony in North Africa and the fact that the Uticans are broken out here implies to me that unlike the rest of Carthage’s North African subjects, they still maintained some degree of autonomia (‘autonomy,’ literally ‘self-laws’), which is to say the ability to make their own laws internally (whereas the other communities just had to do what Carthage told them, that is, ‘they share the same laws’ in the sense that Carthage makes the laws for everyone).1 So then those ‘subject to Carthage’ who also share the same laws are Carthage’s fully subordinate North African dependencies, the various other Phoenician, Libyan and Liby-Phoenician communities.
Then we have, “and such cities and peoples as hearken to Carthage.” The word here is ὑπήκοος (hupekoos), an adjective meaning ‘hearkening, answering, obeying,’ which gets used in other authors (Xenophon, Thucydides, etc.) to mean ‘subjects’ or even ‘subject allies.’ This, I think, is intended to encompass Carthage’s ‘vassals’ – Numidia and the Iberian communities – which do not share the same laws as Carthage (they’re internally autonomous) but who ‘obey’ or ‘listen to’ Carthage when Carthage commands. We’re thus recognizing that Carthage has different classes of dependent communities: Utica, subject but self-governing, then the other North Africans, subject and non-self governing, then the vassals – cities and peoples hearkening to Carthage – who still have their own polities, but who obey Carthage.
Finally, we have “and the soldiers and the allies and all the cities and peoples with whom we are in friendship in Italy and Gaul and Liguria and anyone we may enter into friendship and alliance in these lands.” We ‘we’ here is in the text and the ‘we’ is clearly the Carthaginians, but it is an odd grammatical quirk to shift from the third to the second person here. In any case here, I think, we have our allies and mercenaries. The need to specify here that the treaty considers for groups with whom there is philia, ‘friendship:’ the soldiers and the allies and all the cities and peoples with whom there is an alliance (the relative clause, to my reading, is picking up all four groups: soldiers, allies, cities and peoples) speaks to the diverse range of Carthage’s coalition in Italy.
As I take it, the soldiers and allies here includes the men actually serving in arms under Carthage and is framed to capture both men serving for money (the soldiers) and those serving because their home polity has thrown in with Hannibal (the allies). Meanwhile, the cities and peoples then captures those home polities themselves; that distinction might matter because of course by this point some of Hannibal’s soldiers have been with his army and away from home for some time and – in the fragmented structure of non-state polities – may understand themselves to have a direct relationship with Hannibal apart from their community’s alliance with him. As we’re going to see, the cities are probably Hannibal’s newfound Italian allies (revolting from Rome) while the peoples are probably Hannibal’s only-slightly-older allies in Gaul and Liguria. Finally, we get a rider that should Hannibal contract new allies (which in 215 he stills hopes to do, peeling away Rome’s alliance system), they too are included.
So who are all these allied peoples and cities? The answer is largely ‘Gauls and Italians,’ but lets take a closer look.
The Gauls
Like the Iberians, we hear about Gauls in Carthaginian armies long before Carthage was projecting significant military power directly into their homelands. The first report we have of Gallic mercenaries in Carthaginian armies is the first meaningful point at which we can assess Carthage’s armies: the Battle of Himera (480), (Hdt 7.165). A century later, Diodorus has the Carthaginians enlisting Gallic and Ligurian mercenaries (the Ligurians were a non-Gallic people heavily influenced by Gallic neighbors; they fought in the same manner) in 341 in their war against Timoleon of Syracuse (Diod. Sic. 16.73.3). Gallic mercenaries are fairly common additions from that point onward to Carthaginian armies. Thus, Gauls and Ligurians are a component of the Carthaginian army that revolts at the start of the Mercenary War in 241 (Polyb. 1.67.7). In short, Carthage is recruiting mercenaries from the Gallic world from basically the moment we can see them clearly.
Again we’re not well-informed about how Gallic warriors would have been recruited as mercenaries, but something along the lines of what we hypothesized in Iberia – recruitment through aristocrats using access to Carthage’s imported prestige goods as the incentive as much if not more than money – would be what I’d expect. Imported prestige goods are a real presence in middle and late La Tène sites, with goods from the broader Mediterranean world – Greek/Roman/Eastern artwork, fine pottery, wine, etc. – clearly commanding a status premium.
Once again, this system – such as it was (given how imperfectly we can observe it) – is clearly fundamentally altered by the Barcids, although in this case by Hannibal rather than his father Hamilcar. Hannibal’s decision to march his army from Spain through southern Gaul (modern Occitania and Provence) over the Alps and into Italy meant taking a Carthaginian army through the territories of multiple Gallic civitates. That is naturally going to change the way these polities relate to Carthage. In practice, the first part of Hannibal’s march – before he gets to the Alps – is bumpy. We don’t have the space here for all the twists and turns, but essentially despite Hannibal sending ambassadors ahead to try to arrange for free passage, at several points he has to fight his way through and between that fighting and the Alps themselves, he loses close to half of the army he departed with.

However, he drops out of the Alps into what the Romans would call Cisalpine Gaul – northern Italy in the Po River Valley, which was at the time inhabited by a number of Gallic peoples as well as some non-Gallic peoples heavily influenced by Gallic culture (like the Ligurians or Veneti). Hannibal seems to be counting on these fellows to refill his ranks and he has good reason to bet on this: the Romans control of this region was relatively recent, the result of campaigning in the 220s (most notably the Battle of Telamon in 225). The Gallic civitates still had their own governments, though it is clear our sources understand them as at least somewhat under the ‘thumb’ of Rome – recently conquered, restive and ready for a rematch. Which Hannibal promptly supplied. Indeed, Polybius presents Hannibal as acutely aware that he needs to rack up big victories quickly in order to get these Gauls to shift durably to his side and stay there, but of course he does win big victories and the region rises against the Romans (except for the Cenomani, who seem to have been, for whatever reason, the most pro-Roman of the Cisalpine Gauls).
However Hannibal does not replicate the Iberian system in Cisalpine Gaul. The Gallic civitates of Cisalpine Gaul are going to be supporting Hannibal actively, militarily for a decade and a half, but we hear no reports of diplomatic marriages of the sort we saw in Spain (which, mind you, the Barcid system in Spain was only 19 years old at most when Hannibal crossed the Alps, so these aren’t wildly different time frames), no declarations of Hannibal as supreme general of the Gauls or anything like that.
Instead, as we’ve seen, the treaty with Philip V pretty clearly sets the Gauls in their own category as allied ethne, ‘peoples.’ And that equally fits with Polybius’ repeated suggestion that Hannibal himself is concerned about the fragility of those alliances until Cannae. Presumably after Cannae, the Gauls all recognize that they are ‘in for a penny, in for a pound’ and must be at open war with the Romans no matter what, cementing the alliances that will largely hold for the rest of the war. So the Gauls of the Second Punic War seem to be external allies of Carthage – they are in Carthaginian armies because their polities are allied with Carthage, rather than because they have become subjects (although one imagines that may have happened had the Carthaginians won). Indeed, in some cases we’re told that Hannibal forms formal alliances with these civitates, as with the Boii, for instance (Polyb. 3.67).
As we discussed when we looked at ‘tribal’ armies, the non-state Gallic mobilization system could put out a lot of military power relative to the small size of Gallic civitates, and we see that here. The Cisalpine Gauls were hardly ‘fresh’ in 218 – remember, they’re just coming off of losing a major war with the Romans quite badly – but Hannibal is able to acquire substantial troops from them. Hannbial absorbs something like 9,000 Gallic infantry and 5,000 Gallic cavalry – that’s a lot of horse-born aristocrats – by the Battle of Trebia and by Cannae his army probably has around 16,000 Gallic infantry in it. Hannibal’s Gallic contingent does seem to wane over time – after Trasimene, he moves south in Italy, effectively cutting himself off from his Gallic recruiting grounds in an effort to spur a larger revolt in Italy. That said, Hasdrubal’s army, defeated at the Battle of the Metaurus (207) attempting to repeat Hannibal’s crossing of the Alps to reinforce him, also has something like 8,000 Ligurians and Gauls in it, so recruiting never wholly ceased.

In terms of how these Gauls would fight, we’ve actually discussed the La Tène military kit before. Common Gallic warriors generally fought unarmored (although only quite rarely nude) or perhaps with only textile armor of some kind, simply because these were fairly poor societies. Instead, they protected themselves with a large oval shield (a relative of the Roman scutum), using spears as their primary weapon and long one-handed straight-edged slashing swords as their backup weapon. Gallic infantry sometimes carried javelins, but very much functioned as ‘line infantry,’ expecting to engage in close combat in large formations with closed ranks. Rather than the sort of ‘barbarian mob’ of popular imagination, we probably want to imagine Gallic battle lines as similar to other shield walls, like the hoplite phalanx. Evidently, the onset of their charge was fearsome, but the lack of armor meant that they often lacked the ‘staying power’ of more heavily armored Roman, Greek or African forces. Aristocratic Gallic cavalry would, by this point, often have been mailed and made effective shock cavalry.

We’ll look in more detail at some tactics next week, but the role of Gauls in Carthage’s armies in the Second Punic War was an unenviable one: Carthaginian commanders seem to consistently treat their Gallic troops as expendable and deploy their armies to concentrate losses among them. We’re told that nearly all of Hannibal’s losses at Trasimene were from his Gallic troops (Polyb. 3.74.10). At Cannae, Hannibal throws both his Iberians and Gauls forward, but once again more than half of his losses were of his Gallic troops – 4,000 Gauls, 1,500 of Iberians and Africans combined and 200 cavalry – suggesting his Iberians were somewhat more sheltered by his deployment and that his very exposed center must have been mostly Gauls (Polyb. 3.117.6). At the Metaurus, Hasdrubal seems not to trust his Gallic and Ligurian troops, placing them on a hill on the wing with orders merely to endure while he tried to win the battle elsewhere (Livy 27.48). And at Zama, Hannibal again throws his Gallic and Ligurian troops forward to endure the brunt of the initial Roman attack, before it could reach the troops (Africans, Carthaginians, his veterans) he actually cared about (Polyb. 15.11; Livy 30.33).
I should note that Luc Baray has pushed back a bit on this point, 2 arguing that the lightness of Hannibal’s African and Iberian troops demanded placing the Gauls to take the brunt of Roman attacks, but that simply doesn’t work: the Iberians were no lighter than the Gauls and the Africans much heavier. And the source tradition is – as Baray admits – just really quite clear. There is, in fact, something of a striking comment here on Carthage’s relationship with its allies and subjects as compared to Rome: whereas Roman armies place Roman citizens in the center where they share in the heaviest fighting (and the socii on the wings), Carthaginian armies seem – our evidence is limited, of course – but seem to have an established practice of intentionally shield citizen and African troops from the heaviest fighting by expending vassal, mercenary and allied troops.
However, as noted above, the role of Hannibal’s Gallic allies really crests in importance at the Battle of Cannae and then declines somewhat as he moves south. For their part, the Romans remain militarily active in Cisalpine Gaul, fighting the Gallic civitates there directly, though a full effort at reconquest will have to wait until after Hannibal has been defeated at Zama. But Hannibal, in moving south is aiming at other potential sources of manpower.
Greeks and Italians in Carthaginian Armies
Finally, we have the available military manpower of southern Italy and Sicily: Greeks and (southern) Italians. The Greek colonization beginning in the 8th century created a bunch of Greek colonies along the coast of southern Italy and Sicily, with those communities in some case remaining very ethnically distinct (e.g. Tarentum, Syracuse, etc.) and in other cases ending up meaningfully blended with the locals (e.g. Campania). Meanwhile the uplands of southern Italy (and some of the coastal areas) remained with their earlier inhabitants, a variety of Oscan-language speaking peoples, like the Samnites or Lucanians.

This part of Italy had remained independent of Rome the longest: the Samnites had only been pulled under Roman control in the Third Samnite War (298-290), but had revolted during the Pyrrhic War (281-275) and had to be reconquered. The Pyrrhic War, of course, was also primarily a war about Tarentum, the most important of the Greek settlements still independent in southern Italy. These were thus peoples only beginning to really come solidly under Roman control during the early third century and the relative thinness of Roman control shows.
We do not hear a lot about Greek mercenaries in Carthaginian service, but it clearly happened. Very famously the Carthaginians, on the back foot against the Romans in 255 during the First Punic War, hire a Spartan commander, Xanthippos, with a small band of mercenaries, to whip their army into shape (Diod. Sic. 23.16; Polyb. 1.32). Polybius also offers a strange comment at the start of his narrative of the mercenary war when listing off the troops Carthage had, that they included, “not a few half-Greeks” (μιξέλληνες, mixellenes, very literally ‘mixed/half-Greeks’), “of whom, most were deserters or slaves” (Polyb. 1.67.7). It’s an odd comment, especially with the preemptive dismissal of them as mostly deserters or (former) slaves, which almost sounds defensive, as if Polybius is anxious to head off the notion that any proper Greek would serve in a ‘barbarian’ army (for the Carthaginians, as non-Greek speakers, were very much barbaroi in the Greek imagination).
That said, the Carthaginians had been fighting back and forth on Sicily, against Syracuse, as we’ve noted, for centuries at this point. The Sicilian Greeks were not always a united block against Carthage during that fighting either: quite often there were Greek communities under Carthaginian control or else amenable to Carthage because they feared Syracusan dominance. It makes sense: if you are a community in Sicily that isn’t Syracuse (or Carthage), your interest is that these two keep fighting, enabling you to retain some measure of independent in the context of that conflict, rather than that one of them wins and subjugates you. It would be surprising if there weren’t Greek mercenaries in Carthaginian armies.
Carthage also pulled modest numbers of mercenaries from Italy proper, particularly from Campania. Pre-Roman Campania was demographically complex: the initial population was Oscan, but the region had seen a wave of Etruscan colonial foundations (Salerno, Nola, etc.), followed (and somewhat overlapped) by a wave of Greek colonial foundations (Naples, Cumae, Paestum, etc.), followed by a reassertion of Samnite and Lucanian (that is, Oscan-speaker) power in the region in the fourth century, leading eventually to Rome moving into the region as a counterweight to the Samnites and thus the Samnite Wars (343-341, 327-304, 298-290). So it is fair to say the region is complex.
We see Campanian mercenaries in Carthaginian service in Sicily as early as 408 (Diod. Sic. 13.44.1-2) where the Campanians were there because they had originally been hired as part of Athens’ failed war with Syracuse (the Sicilian Expedition, 415-413) and had evidently stuck around. From that point forward, Campanian mercenaries show up on Sicily in modest numbers but with some regularity, with the Carthaginians installing them here and there in this or that town.3 The Carthaginians were hardly alone – the Syracusans also hired Campanians from time to time. Of course the most famous of these fellows are the Mamertines, a group of Oscan-speaking Campanian mercenaries hired by Syracuse who end up setting up shop in Messina and accidentally sparking the First Punic War. Though Polybius does mention Italians as a group during the Mercenary War (241-237), we do get one Campanian mercenary named Spendius (yes, really), an escaped slave, who evidently escaped to Carthaginian service (Polyb. 1.69.4) and it certainly seems plausible to suppose he wasn’t the only one.
The wars of the early third century – particularly the Third Samnite War (298-290), the Pyrrhic Wars (281-275) and the First Punic War (264-241) – seem to have largely cut Carthage off from these mercenary sources, however. Rome’s military system in Italy never threw off substantial numbers of mercenaries (the rare military adventurer, but not much more) and so as it expanded to encompass the Campanians, their presence seems to drop off, with the Mamertines as a sort of ‘last gasp’ of that pattern of mercenary service. Then, of course, Roman victory in the First Punic War banished Carthaginian influence from Sicily, removing their access to Greek recruitment.
Nevertheless, of course, there is a brief resurgence of Italian service in Carthage’s armies during the Second Punic War. Hannibal’s strategy, after all, was to foster large-scale revolt among the Roman socii. Hannibal’s initial campaigning to try to produce this effect among the socii north of Rome didn’t bear fruit, but after Cannae he presses into southern Italy and is able to spark a large-scale revolt, bringing over the Samnites, Lucanians, parts of Campania (most importantly Capua) and Tarentum. Suddenly Carthage had access to southern Italian manpower again.

Or rather it might have. In practice, Hannibal isn’t able to get a whole lot of military potential out of these fellows. The first problem he faces is that no region goes over completely to him: every region splits. Michael Fronda discusses this in depth in Between Rome and Carthage (2010) which is very much due for a fireside recommendation (it has a reasonably priced paperback). The thing is, the Roman conquest of these regions had ‘frozen’ ongoing local rivalries, but they had hardly passed out of memory. So when Capua goes over to Hannibal, for instance, suddenly all of the other Campanian communities have to think hard about their choices, because if Hannibal wins and Roman influence is removed, they’re suddenly very exposed to Capuan influence (backed by Carthage). That process repeats in Apulia (fear Tarentum!) and Samnium (where the Samnites split on the question) and Bruttium (where Rhegium holds to Rome) and so on.
That in turn creates a sticky operational problem because now each revolting community has other loyal communities nearby and the threat that Roman armies – which are now avoiding engaging Hannibal directly – might attack where he is not. And Hannibal cannot be everywhere. The consequence is that the Italians who side with Hannibal mostly raise forces for their own defense and are broadly unwilling to detach large forces for any collective effort. Hannibal is thus never able to get a lot of manpower out of these fellows – not enough to challenge Rome on multiple fronts effectively (efforts to do so mostly involve his smaller armies getting picked off). In that 215 ‘peak’ figure, revolting Italian socii only supply some 17,000 troops in the field.
One honestly wonders if Hannibal might not have been better off staying focused on Cisalpine Gaul, but of course his real problem here is a lack of operational mobility once the Romans shift to a strategy of containment: he cannot get back to Cisalpine Gaul, because the Romans have by that point hopelessly complicated his logistics.4 Hannibal thus may not have made a conscious choice to focus on southern Italy over Cisalpine Gaul, but simply found himself, after Cannae, ‘stuck’ on a strategy focused on the south.
In any case, the upshot of all of this is that Greeks and Campanians (especially Campanians) show up frequently in Carthaginian armies, but generally in limited numbers. They’re clearly less prominent than Carthage’s more common sources of external troops (Gaul, Iberia), though it is possible they had outsized importance because they would have been substantially heavier troops. The Mamertines were in Messina long enough to mint coins and some of these issues (e.g. BMC 26, 27, 29 etc. ) have on their reverse a warrior with an aspis and a long spear, heroically nude (not because Campanians fought nude, but because they’re evoking the heroic nudity common in Greek art).

A Barcid Strategy?
We now have, for the most part, our cast of characters who – in varying arrangements – regularly make up Carthaginian armies (we’ll start next time by cleaning up some odds and ends as well). Next time we’re going to close out by looking at how we see Carthaginian generals using these different forces in battle, focused mostly on the Second Punic War, which is where we get to see the Carthaginian military system most clearly.
But first, I want to point something out, though I am hardly the first to notice it:5 there is something of a consistency to the Barcid approach post-237, which may or may not represent something like an intentional strategy.
Prior to 241 and the Carthaginian loss of Sicily at the end of the First Punic War, the major sources of Carthaginian mercenary manpower outside of Africa, in rough order of importance were Iberia, followed by Gaul, followed by Campania. And what is striking is that over two generations (Hamilcar, followed by his sons (and one son-in-law)), the Barcids seem to systematically move down the list, securing more direct Carthaginian control over those recruiting grounds. First, Hamilcar moves on Spain, securing relatively direct ‘overlordship’ (if not full control) as a ‘warlord of warlords’ over the Iberian recruiting ground, enabling Carthage to extract far more manpower than it ever had before.
Then, when time comes to fight Rome, Hannibal attacks through Gaul, quite clearly aiming to drop out into Cisalpine Gaul where he hoped to find ready allies (and did). Now of course we might regard Hannibal’s rout as forced by the relative lack of a Carthaginian navy, but as we’re going to discuss at some point, Carthage did have a navy in the Second Punic War and certainly could have attempted to make another effort at taking Sicily. Indeed, that was what the Romans expected. Hannibal’s decision to prepare for a land war was thus a decision, an intentional choice made and it is striking that once he made that decision, he went straight for Carthage’s next most important mercenary recruiting zone. Once again, it seems certain that doing so enabled Hannibal to get a lot more military resources out of this region. It is hard to get a clear sense of how many Gallic mercenaries Carthage might regularly pull in, but the number is clearly well south of the well over 20,000 who move through Hannibal’s army between 218 and 215.
Finally, of course, once he secured the alliance of nearly all of the Cisalpine Gauls, his next stop is Southern Italy. One wonders if he was thinking particularly of those Oscan-speaking Campanian mercenaries that Carthage had utilized in the past (though it is worth noting he tries to pry away the Etruscans – not traditional friends of Carthage – first). Once again, the strategy, in a sense, bears fruit: we don’t often get secure numbers for the Campanian mercenaries involved on Sicily, but they seem to be a sort of ‘high hundreds’ kind of force (e.g. 800 at Diod. Sic. 13.44.1-2). By contrast, in 215 Hannibal has detached an army under Hanno of some 17,000 infantry, almost entirely Bruttians and Lucanians. Hannibal is thus drawing more than a full order of magnitude more military power from the region.
The result was a vastly expanded Carthaginian military machine, albeit composed of really diverse parts. And I think it is worth stressing that the resulting mobilization was, by ancient standards, very successful. Indeed, in the ancient Mediterranean, this is probably the second most successful mobilization effort.6 The problem, of course, is that it is pitted directly against the largest mobilization effort in the pre-modern Mediterranean.
In practice, the weakness this system had were two. The first, which we’ll revisit in the next part, was that while the force it raised – again, nearly 165,000 men under arms at once – was very large, it was also comparatively light, composed of a lot of ‘mediums’ and ‘lights’ compared to much heavier Roman armies. Had it been fighting something like a Hellenistic army (which also employed lots of ‘mediums’) this might not have been a problem, but again: Hannibal was fighting Romans.
But the other weakness was far more profound: this system was fragile, while the Roman system was durable. Part of that was simply age – the Roman system was many decades old in much of Italy, so there had been time to consolidate the system and to accustom its members to collective action under Roman direction. But equally, part of it was structure: the Roman system relied much more heavily on incentives than on direct coercion. We may note the contrast: Rome had no equivalent to the Barcids’ stockpile of hostages held in New Carthage, for instance. Consequently, when pressured the Roman alliance system mostly holds together, while the Carthaginian system of vassalage comes apart in both Spain and Numidia.
Alas for the Barcids, that was probably not a problem they could fix in the time frame they had to work with.
- Which, to be clear, does not carry any sense at all that these laws were equal; everyone shared equally in the laws that said that Carthaginian citizens get all sorts of privileges and exemptions while non-citizens get taxes.
- L. Baray, Les Celtes d’Hannibal: Pour une nouvelle approche de l’emploi tactique des Celtes. L’exemple de la deuxième guerre punique (2019), 207-220.
- If you want to trace this, J.R. Hall Carthage at War (2023) has the relevant instances, though you will need to follow along the index to catch them all.
- For more on how the Romans do this, see P. Erdkamp, Hunger and the Sword (1998), which is a very good logistics study, but unfortunately not a reasonably priced book.
- E.g. this point is made in Taylor, Soldiers and Silver (2020), 69
- Third, if we’re including the Achaemenids.
One interesting point is that the carthaginians must have had quite a lot of fiscal muscle: Even if a lot of them are allies, they are clearly *paying* a lot of troops.
Carthage probably extracted more taxes and tribute from its subjects/allies than Rome. It probably did so at rates comparable to non-Roman Mediterranean powers, but it had a lot more tributaries than almost any of them.
I doubt they were much richer than Egypt or the Seleucids, but Carthage must have been able to pay their mercenaries much less simply because the Western Mediterranean was poorer to begin with, and there’s no competition for their services because Rome does not hire mercenaries and the Greek kings that do have Rome in their way.
This is because Carthage was different from Rome in three parts. I’ll be overemphasizing a bit, but broadly this is correct.
Part one, it was deeply integrated into the wider Mediterranean trading sphere, in silver. This was largely driven by the highly monetized economies of the eastern Mediterranean, which had a long tradition of paying professional soldiers in silver and had since before Alexander. This was in deep contrast to Rome, who had only partially adopted state controlled coinage *by the second punic war*!
See Elliott, C.P. (2020). The Role of Money in the Economies of Ancient Greece and Rome. In: Battilossi, S., Cassis, Y., Yago, K. (eds) Handbook of the History of Money and Currency. Springer, Singapore. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-981-13-0596-2_46
This bears emphasizing, Rome didn’t have money because the Roman state didn’t care to, not on an institutional level. The Roman system didn’t need coinage and hence didn’t produce it. It was still a complex society with civil trade in goods and coins, but the primary state “currency” was land.
Part two, Carthage leveraged it’s subjects for tribute in silver or goods. Rome leveraged it’s dependencies for soldiers. The primary currency was land, and the primary tax was citizen soldiers.
Part three, Carthage controlled the silver mines in southern iberia, which would eventually-maybe *during* the second punic war-be the largest source of new coinage; previously the Greecian silver mines in Laconia were dominant. Rome simply did not control any comparable mint at this time; they eventually exploited the Spanish ones, but only later, once they had seized control of most of the Mediterranean and were operating a highly complex trading economy (actually a rather simpler one in terms of customs than the earlier multipolar economies, but complex for *one state* to operate).
So Rome had no coinage because the state didn’t care to emphasize it, tax it, or mint it. Because nothing about Roman power in Italy required it. Carthage, in contrast, was typical of the other Mediterranean powers in this regard.
“Now of course we might regard Hannibal’s rout as forced by the relative lack of a Carthaginian navy”-Do you mean route?
If that had happened, then surely Rome could take:
– the Fabian armies it OTL deployed to contain Hannibal down south, and
– the armies it OTL deployed up north to fight the rebellious Cisalpine Gauls, and
– the armies of Apulians &c it couldn’t raise OTL because they revolted but in the alternate timeline, with Hannibal not coming near them, presumably would not have done so (albeit providing the customary citizen legions to match these socii would have required above-IRL citizen mobilization; the simple answer is that the requirement for the customary ratio is probably waived after alt-Cannae; the harder answer is that since the first overseas conquest has only recently happened, maybe Roman politics still permit an emergency grant of citizenship to some communities?);
and Rome could have thrown all of these into the Cisalpine Gaul operational theater. That would have:
– been awesome;
– been a major logistical headache, of “eat the whole province into famine” proportions;
– perhaps required/prompted Rome to invent OTL circa-Napoleonic operational art, with multiple standard consular armies “marching separately, fighting together”, as corps (3X) under the direction of army (4X) command. This would have had interesting implications for future conflicts, from various Roman civil wars to wars against Parthia.
Yep, the largest Roman deployment according to Polybius was not against Hannibal, it was in 225. There was a reason they did that special census of socii Bret has mentioned before! In 225 they mobilized 74,000 Romans, 170,000 Socii, and 20,000 Veneti and Cenomani allies. The Boii and their allies do a goodfaith effort, but one feels like they were victims of a bit of overkill. Rome does seem to have a bit of a cultural phobia of Gaulish invasions, The Battle of Telamon was larger than Cannae! Now I doubt they
As for how they managed the logistics, multiple ~50,000 man armies…
“OTL” means… what precisely? Maybe the ignorance is mine, but I really cannot read in contemporary acronyms.
Not the OP, but I’m pretty sure it’s “Original Time Line”.
OTL = our timeline. It’s a standard expression used in alternate history, to contrast the alternate timeline (often abbreviated ATL) to OTL.
fully joking….
le Gasp! Hannibal Marched into Southern Italy seeking to unify all the Greeks and their neighbors under one banner!
No wonder it never worked out poor guy.
Balkanization to the Max baby!
but yeah, the Barcuras trying to speed run the work of centuries in very few decades….. course if not for the Scipios, and if not for Fabian he might have won.
but well, Scipio and losing Spain, course perhaps and mabys can go on forever, someone might have had the bad luck to catch an arrow in the eye, then where would they all be.
Hanno II is the real one to blame for it all, for the Navy, to the Mercenary war to not supporting Hannibal.
infighting when the enemy is at the gates!
Have been binge-reading your blog for a couple months and now I’m sad to be caught up and waiting for next Friday. Stellar work Dr Pedant!
I think the reason Hannibal didn’t stay in Cisalpine Gaul is the same reason why he’s able to goad the Romans into battles until the massacre of Cannae.
He cannot stay for long in the region of his allies without his army causing societal strain on their logistics by default, instead, he needs to jump into enemy territory so that his foraging activities don’t piss off his own allies while also trying to wear down the patience of the Romans and the socii so they can keep attacking him and thus give him the chance to break Rome’s reputation, one battle at the time.
And from what we know, this approach worked because while Fabian tactics won against Hannibal, they were impopular as a whole and the Romans tried to shift to battle instead of operational attrition, as the political shenanigans during the time of Fabius show.
If anything, it is a testament to the tenacity and adaptability of the Romans to be willing to bite the bullet to win against Hannibal and accept they had to win on the operational field instead of the tactical one, even if that meant enduring his presence for years.
There’s a reason Fabius’ plan was unpopular:
– you’re fighting the enemy on your own soil, with all that entails in terms of hardship from having armies trample over your fields and taking your food
– okay, you’re also fighting him overseas. This is only possible because your army is bigger than his
– you’re planning for well over a decade of this
Nevermind that it’s a bit embarrassing to have the larger, better equipped army and go ‘Yeah, no, can’t beat him on the field’. Your only way to win is to take Sun Tzu and set him on fire (fighting on your own soil and for an extended period of time), and that’s only because your army is overall bigger than the enemy’s. The moment it isn’t, the entire strategy falls flat.
The best that can be said for the Fabian strategy is that it recognised the incompetence of Roman commanders relative to Hannibal, and that it was fortunate to have the resource advantage needed for it to have a chance of working.
I suppose it’s still better than nothing if you’re defending yourself, but I’m admittedly a little bit distrustful of the Roman accounts on how the war started. The similarities to the casus belli for the Samnite wars as well as the 1st Punic war are a bit too noticeable for me to not believe that Rome was looking for an excuse, any excuse, to rumble again (as was its habit with all its neighbours) and Saguntum provided it, just like Messana and Capua before it.
> I suppose it’s still better than nothing if you’re defending yourself, but I’m admittedly a little bit distrustful of the Roman accounts on how the war started.
Rome was always defending itself, especially when it was invading others.
This is only partially sarcasm, there’s idealogical room for a citizen Republic where the security dilemma (Red Queen problem) drives public policy as a result of rational consensus. The state must continually conquer, because every time it conquers it borders more people who want to conquer it (because it wants to conquer them).
We’re conditioned to believe that this rhetoric is hypocrisy, stupidity, manipulation, and projection because in the modern world wars of conquest almost definitionally cannot produce economic gains or increased security for the population writ large (but can profit elites) but the economics of the ancient world *were different* and this changes the *political* motivations as well.
How much the citizenry writ large was bought in to this bellicose idealogy is an open question. It’s not really relevant to your point except that it informs if we’re meant to actually believe the Roman casus belli to begin with; was that a rhetorical deception over the senates desire for conquest or a rhetorical pretense to justify the *populations* desire for security?
Was there a realistic opportunity for Carthage and Rome to coexist? If Carthage had gone in a Hellenistic direction and made themselves an ally and junior partner, into annexation?
I doubt it would have looked much different to actual history, given that Carthage is re-founded and continued to flourish under Roman rule.
It also would have been a very hard sell to the adirim, since Rome doesn’t allow for “nested” imperialism. That is, all annexed territory is understood to be directly under Roman control, instead of being under the control of an imperial ruler who is then controlled by the Romans. Which means any path into annexation would have involved Carthage giving up all its imperial holdings, including all the tax income and military power from them, and just becoming a biggest-among-equals polity along the African coast. That is a bargain close to no power-holder is willing to accept.
I’m not actually sure that’s true; our sources on what’s happening in client kingdoms are not great and I’m not sure the territorial extents are necessarily that simple; it’s entirely possible that they had their own imperial systems that Rome simply doesn’t care about. We know this was true to an extent with the Greek leagues they made clients, which had their own internal divisions and hierarchies that Rome mostly ignores if they didn’t interfere with it’s control of foreign policy. This actually caused much dissent between the supposed allies, as Rome thought the Greek polities were ceding their foreign policy to Rome (at least mostly) and the Greeks remembered no such agreement.
This was really the key aspect, which was that Rome tolerated a range of domestic policies but required deference in terms of foreign policy. This allowed for some leeway with extremely well respected clients like Pergamon, which appears to have intervened in Selucud politics and may have partially triggered the Galatian war and other regional conflicts, but which maintained a healthy deference to their patrons otherwise.
However I find it impossible to imagine Rome tolerating a version of Carthage which was of comparable power maintaining its network of allies and subordinate general led kingdoms regardless of if such things were occasionally acceptable in the Roman system. Pergamon was the closest Rome got to having a *peer* client, and its power peaked at being a strong Macedonian successor, which meant an order of magnitude under Rome or Carthage. Carthage becoming a client in the 200’s would have been comparable to the East West split of the Roman empire; it’s almost impossible to imagine that working without an institutional system behind it or some exceedingly strong cultural movement.
I can imagine a resolution to the second punic war that doesn’t end in a third, and which eventually leads to Carthage becoming a Roman territory like Egypt or Pergamon.
I cannot imagine a resolution to their tension that doesn’t end with one dominating the other, except maybe an extended stalemate if both states manage to contest the Mediterranean sea sufficiently to make assaults on their home territory suicidal.
Either you end up with one winning, or with a Sassinid or Parthian situation where the effective distance to the others homeland and strategic resiliency of the nations makes victory impossible. And to be frank, from what I know of ancient naval tactics a stalemate was unlikely. Maybe if Carthage wins at sea and Rome on land, but that very nearly happened and Rome just kept trying until they got the one win they needed.
However the destruction of Carthage was a political issue deeply intertwined with a unique political moment partially dependent on the continued life of an *89 year old man*. It’s easy to imagine some other resolution, less punitive.
I’m really interested in seeing the idea of a highly comprehensive and precise wording of a diplomatic document from over two thousand years ago.
I’m also debating if the topic of pre-modern logistics is fascinating enough to me to be willing to drop a hundred euro on a book about it.
There’s an older study published in 1978 that you can get used for about $8 or quite possibly from your local library, that will give you a feel for subject. “Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army” by Donald W. Engels.
So, yes, but Engels is more than a little flawed, to be honest. Read with care.
Bret, shouldn’t the Battles of Herdonia and Silarus in 212 be added to that list on the first post of days Carthage inflicted more loss on the Romans than the successors did total? Or are you dubious of the numbers for some reason.
I don’t think Hannibal withdrawing to Transalpine Gaul would have helped much. Roman deployment against Hannibal peaked at 13 legions, but usually was somewhat less. 4 legions were always guarding northern Italy, plus rebel Socii get reintegrated, plus Veneti and Cenomani were loyal to Rome. While Hannibal gets an additional perhaps 25,000 Gauls (judging from Silva Litana, doubt they can do much more, losses of 220s were *heavy*) plus perhaps Ligurians. Does mean it is easier for him to withdraw if things go badly, easier to get Iberian reinforcements, but leaves him just as outnumbered and less able to dismantle Roman network.
Arguably the best option was to *not* invade Italy. Individual Roman deployments overseas this century rarely much exceed 30,000. Rome initially seriously underestimated Carthage. They obviously didn’t initially know Hannibal was a genius, but I’m still not sure given the Barcids had more than 100,000 men in Iberia in 219 how sending the Scipio brothers was supposed to anything but get them chopped to pieces even if Hannibal wasn’t Hannibal!
I don’t think Rome could have fielded as many men outside the modern (vs Roman) borders of Italy. Expeditionary forces seem to have been somewhat size-capped. As Hannibal declines as a threat over the Second Punic War the result is not so much greater overseas deployment as demobilization. Given he was Hannibal, I find it hard to imagine Roman offensive campaign going well. Fundamental problem of course for any scenario short of a crushing victory for Hannibal is he’s going to die of old age eventually leaving the fundamental issue of Rome having at least as much manpower, but *all* heavy infantry for a Third Punic War. When he dies (or a world he never was), easy to imagine Romans throwing a large army at Africa, 60,000 men at Iberia (probably max logistically possible) and causing something to break.
But I do think Hannibal should have been withdrawn earlier. 211 I would say is the last year Roman containment efforts are truly seriously strained, but I can understand staying longer. But at the latest once in 207 Hannibal clearly gives up on maintaining his Socii network, he should have been withdrawn, more than a defensive victory for Carthage was no longer on the table.
Scipio Africanus basically Hannibaled Carthage in 206-202: ~~50k at Ilipa, ~70k at Uticia+Great Plains (likely exaggerated, but its clear Carthage and Numidia suffered a lot of losses), then 40k at Zama. Hannibal needs to be back before Ilipa for Carthage to have a shot at a draw or better.
Hannibal vs Scipio will be a titanic struggle but Hannibal can even afford losses as long as he doesn’t suffer a disastrous defeat. Which I doubt he will given his skill. Problem at Zama was his cavalry was weak (Numidia already lost!) so his army got wiped out. Without that hopefully he wins, but at least he can withdraw. And the manpower tank by Zama was empty, so that was that.
Arguably if Hannibal manages to eventually drive Rome back to the Ebro or better yet out of Catalonia and maintain that, the war is a very marginal Carthaginian victory given the starting conditions in 219.
I believe the problem with that approach is that Rome already has a navy capable of wrestling control of the Western Mediterranean from Carthage, and while they can’t deploy that many soldiers at once, they still have the capability of attacking anywhere where Hannibal is not deployed, and that includes the city of Carthage itself. Not to mention there’s no guarantee that other generals are going to be able to achieve victories against Roman armies given the doctrine and kit they use already.
Hannibal cannot afford to play things defensively, it would make a mess of the comparatively fragile system of control he has, he has to go on the offensive and try to destroy Rome’s manpower and reputation in the most efficient way possible to have a shot at victory. Arguably, what he could have done better is try to motivate the Carthaginian leaders into further investing in their navy so they could have dominion over the seas and thus keep the fight contained to Italy and Sicily.
Though forces and leaders between Spain and Africa can be rejuggled relatively easily and quickly if a crisis required. For instance Syphax, ruler of the stronger half of Numidia, decides to ally with the Romans in 213 and has some initial success. So Hasdrubal pops over to Africa in 212, defeats him, and is back in Spain before the end of the year. The Scipio brothers of course took the opportunity to surge south and in 211 get wiped out at Upper Baetis.
Incidentally, as this illustrates while poor Hasdrubal was no Hannibal, he was also by no means an incompetent (same for the 3rd brother Mago).
Another option was to stay in Spain, or retreat there once a quick victory in Italy was no longer viable. Neither Carthage nor Gaul can be defended completely, but without a navy, Iberia is the closest thing Carthage (well, the Barcas) have to “interior lines.” They are centrally located there, have access to immense manpower reserves, and can retaliatory forces either northeast or southeast as the occasion demands. Maybe, over time, Spain becomes the center of the empire.
Makes an interesting timeline.
I find it more likely that Carthage eventually fragments into different political entities, including a monarchy in Spain ruled by Barcids if the family wasn’t purged. It’s probably the direction things were moving; Carthage itself is a reasonably tough nut to crack and was resistant to monarchical rule, but its control over the periphery was deeply personal and there was no institutional substitute. That story almost certainly eventually ends with separate political entities, with competing claims.
At that point we’ve effectively completely reordered the human landscape of the western Mediterranean enough that we’re well into the weeds of alternative history, but if Rome is still Rome at this point then the future almost certainly moves more or less to the tune of history once Carthage is disunified, except with a series of alliances and interventions more similar to the Roman conquest of the Macedonian successors.
Bret: “I’ve translated this myself”
Everyone: “Yes, we see the word ‘hearken'”
First thought: I wonder if “with whom we are in alliance friendship”/”with whom we may enter friendship” is a Carthaginian legal formula of some kind, so they’re not so much shifting from person as applying an idiomatic phrase.
Second thought: The Roman navy sure does seem to be a lot of heavy lifting, yet I feel like nobody ever talks about Rome as a *naval* power. What’s up with that?
Have noticed the navy thing as well. Some of it seems to be “The navy never faced a close to equal challenge after the Punic wars” so there isn’t as much to talk about, some of it seems to be navies getting less attention in general unless really important for a war, possibly for its own collection of reasons.
Yeah, the Carthaginians were the only real challenger at sea until the Vandals in the 5th century CE with a fleet based in north Africa.
The various Celts and Iberians to the west of Rome never seem to have had the shipbuilding capability of say Vikings. The Successor states in the east still had navies but they didn’t really need them. The Ptolemaic, Seleucid, etc armies could mostly get at each other just by walking.
Rome didn’t sweep the Mediterranean clean with their mighty navy, it was more that they grabbed all the land surrounding the sea and all the islands so nobody else had ports to operate a navy from.
The Goths also show up in the black sea during the crisis of the third century and made a couple decent plays at regional hegemony before Aurelian and Diocletian first stabilized the border then reorganized the navy.
Also they absolutely swept the Mediterranean with their navy, insomuch as that was possible; it was key to them defeating Carthage, Macedon, and Selucia. They didn’t take and hold territory with it because that’s not how ships work, but they they used naval transport to deliver their army to every major war they were in. They weren’t walking there from Italy.
The reason it gets second billing is because of culture driven by operational and political limitations. The navy is never holding territory, so it isn’t prestigious nor profitable to be a member of, so it gets limited engagement by the senate. A consul winning a naval victory can’t give his troops farms or even really give them spoils in slaves or goods, so the Roman political elite cared much more about land victories which often *immediately* translated to political power for them.
This wasn’t always true, but the Selucia campaign is indicative Lucius Aemilius Regillus was praetor and commanded the fleet during the decisive victories that meant the war was inevitably going to end in status quo or victory, yet we never hear of him, while Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus got a triumph and such incredible quantities of loot his enemies accused him of accepting bribes.
The difference in outcomes was massive. It’s easy to dismiss the praetor not getting accolades on account of rank, but you would imagine a critical victory might result in future political power even for a praetor-it’d worked for the aforementioned scipios brother. But no, less glory, no land, less loot, no accolades.
This isn’t undisputed or anything, but it’s as close to an explanation for the trend that I can muster besides simply saying that Romans didn’t like boats.
I think there’s something up with the early part of this sentence, but also, wouldn’t “we” be first person? I don’t see any “you”s to be second person, unless there’s something in the Greek that didn’t make it through translation.
I’m guessing that’s supposed to be “horse-borne”, unless there’s some CK II shenaniganry going on here…
Were the Balearic slingers not covered in this series?
Hannibal must have had some intelligence about the situation in Gaul – especially Cisalpine Gaul. I wonder where he got that.
Possibly via the Celtiberian tribes (or more likely from agents keeping an eye on the Celtiberian tribes, who would likely keep a fairly close eye on and a fairly sympathetic ear for the woes of the Gallic world – many of which stemmed from Roma).
I don’t think it’s as if the Gauls had any kind of secrecy about their position. As long as there’s trade and travel between these societies (and there is), gathering intelligence is as simple as either sending someone or receiving someone and asking. The sophistication is probably more in compiling and analysing the information acquired therein.
But I think even when not explicitly documented (and it frequently is), many points in history have figures in power making policies that only make sense if they’re either making inquiries or sending proxies to find things out, probably often attached to trade expeditions.
“We ‘we’ here is in the text”
This should be either “The ‘we'” or just “‘We'”
“enabling you to retain some measure of independent in the context of that conflict”
-> independence
“Now of course we might regard Hannibal’s rout”
-> route
Just thinking back to the question of citizenship: in Carthage, you’ve said, citizenship was restricted to the legitimate children of Carthaginian citizens. But you’ve also said that marriage alliances between Carthaginian generals and subject non-Punic people’s were extremely important and reasonably frequent. So how do the families of the rabbim mahanet by Numidian and Spanish wives fit (including Hannibal’s children by Imilce)? Do we know whether they were citizens or not? I’m assuming the answer is that we don’t know much but it would be interesting to know if we do.